Playdo dude, there is an edit button, and also these things called paragraphs. You don't need to post 5 times in a row.

I may have been able to see your side if you started a thread asking the admins nicely to put cs 1.6 on the poll, but going on to say that they are too scared, and that we are whining, and starting this 1.6 vs source argument isn't helping your case. In fact it's fueling the people who call the counter-strike community immature and whiny.

thats what i origonally did
then livid and that other guy came in here talking shit bout CS
and im pretty sure that every single game out there has a group ofimmature, whiney ppl

I emailed a person about having a cs tourny, i also gave links to rules and such other things. and i asked nicly and everything and I still havent recived a email back. I know alot of cs players but they know nothing about fragapallooza, so I contacted those players; but the way it seems I should just tell them not even to show up. Also I think its a bit over priced for a "Fun" lan, also we allready have a place to lan but its currently under renovation.

You guys can stop with the shit. This is going to be a SMALL LAN party. This is NOT A TOURNAMENT. If you want to play CS, go for it. There is nobody stopping you. However, asking for a CS 5v5 tournament from a LAN PARTY of less than 100 people is simply ridiculous. Let me say it again - THIS IS NOT A TOURNAMENT. If it was a tournament, we probably would have some sort of CS. However, as it is NOT a tournament, don't expect CS.

Some of you guys have said you have never been to Fragapalooza before, so I will forgive you for assuming we automatically run CS tournaments the second you ask for one. For the record, we have run plenty of CS tournaments over the years at our big event in the summer. Notice I said BIG event...as in more than 700 participants...which makes running a 5v5 tournament so much easier.

As for naming tournament BEFORE you sign up...again, if Fragapalooza was a tournament we would do just that. However, as we are a LAN Party, we let the participants vote for any tournaments we might have.

Those of you who frequent the site have heard me say at least 100 times - Fragapalooza is NOT a tournament. As we are in fact a LAN PARTY, you are free to play whatever game you and your friends want to play. If that happens to be CS, then have fun!

If the flames continue I will start by locking threads, and if that doesn't stop it, I will begin banning people. If you have something intelligent to say, please say it. Posting 5 times in a row because you can't figure out the EDIT button is not intelligent. Having a run-on post with not one single bit of punctuation is not intelligent. Spell check is your friend.

Well I think Paying 60$ to go to a lan party is ridiculous.

There are those of us who get enjoyment out of just gaming for fun, and find it well worth it. Sorry if you don't.

So don't go then. You seem to be one of those guys who is crying for a CS tourney, when clearly they are not going to be running one, so it would appear there is nothing for you then.

How much does your local LAN center charge per hour of gaming? $5/hr? $8/hr? If Frag starts on Friday morning, and goes through until Sunday evening, that is like 50 hrs of possible gaming time. Say you sleep for 5 hrs a night, that still leaves 40 hrs of gaming time. At $50 (current registration cost) that is like $1.25/hr. That is cheaper than a movie. I think bowling is more expensive then that...how about an hour at the swimming pool? I bet that even costs more than $1.25.

Never mind the atmosphere, the fun contests, and everything else that makes Fragapalooza fun.

We come to frag every year, in one form or another. Counter-strike or no Counter-strike.

I was defending my side of the story, LiViD is inconsiderate and an ignorant kid i defend the game i love and with the facts sorry if it offended any FRAG members but if LiViD is one he doesnt act like a mature person at all. I stated simply why isnt there a counter-strike 1.6 tournament yes it may not be a massive tournament or hold 700 people but im pretty sure all those people with CS:S have 1.6 and maybe wouldnt mind registering for it, Just to pass the time to wait for there tournament. There is alot of 1.6 teams in that area, I know because im in one, im also in manitoba wich i would currently pay the 200$+ in gas to expierence the FP Lan tournament along with the 60$ registration if it had 1.6.


I have simply a couple questions i ask and want an official FRAG admin to answer it besides LiViD(If he is one):
Why is there no counter-strike 1.6 tournament?
You say its not a trounament but host other games as tournaments?
Why cant you put it on the tournament bored to see how many registered people you get? And hold a limit(atleast 20 teams) or something?

Wow this shit happens every year, no matter where the event is, how big it is, and how many times we have to say it. Fragapalooza is a LAN party, always has been, always will be. The big summer event hosts tournaments because it's a big summer event and can host tournaments. With the constant shit flinging by 8 year olds, I'm sure the admins would LOVE to drop the tourneys or only do what they like, but they do what the popular vote demands, and we love them for it (kinda like a brother). A little event like the one in GP is just the opposite; it's little and in winter. See what I did there? Anyhow, there aren't enough people to hold ANY tournament. I'm not even going it, and I understand this. Why? Because I seem to have the one ability everyone that keeps posting "why can't we have blah blah tournament here" and that ability seems to be literacy.

You guys said it yourselves that you are new, and trust me it shows. Instead of coming into these forums, posting whiny little posts about your CS game, and then attacking people when they tell you to put up or shutup, maybe you should read about the event and learn what it's about. Like GI Joe said, knowing is half the battle.

Who are you? some random forum hopper? Dont answer my questions i would rather listen to the organizers then the guys showing up

Listen here you little sh**....

Perhaps you would be better off reading my profile rather than calling me a kid. That little note just convinced me that you are truly ignorant and refuse to listen to what anyone says. Calling me ignorant because I don't like the game nor play it is a truly arrogant remark.

I use to play CS years ago, since the beta stages up to 1.4. I grew tired of that game due to it's repetitive game play, constant exploits and/or hacks and all the whining youth in the voice chat. Out of all the games that I have played throughout the years, it's not a wonder why I bash it including many others that despise what that game turned into.

I am now done with this thread.

OK guys...that's enough. I will respond to the questions posed, then I am locking this thread as obviously none of you know the meaning of STOP.



For starters, the Tournament link on our main page still references our last Summer Event. It is NOT accurate for our Winter event in Grande Prairie.

This particular instance of Fragapalooza is meant to be a small Grassroots type LAN Party. It is NOT a Tournament. We are expecting less than 100 people and running a 5v5 tournament of any kind just doesn't seem feasible. Even our big event in the summer doesn't attract the CS like you imagine it does.

Let me break it down in hard numbers. I will use our summer event as an example:

700+ participants. Of those more than half state they are not planning on participating in any tournaments. I think we had around 200 people vote to participate in tournaments last year. The Poll results are like this for 1st choice:

CS1.6 - 3 people
CS:S - 30 people
TF2 - 40 people
COD4 - 60 people
WC3 - 15 people

The remaining people chose other games not worth mentioning for the purposes of this post.

Those numbers clearly show that of the people who actually come to Frag, very few wanted CS1.6 as a tournament - and that was at a LAN Party of more than 700 people. Can you honestly say that at a LAN Party of about 100 people those numbers will improve? If you honestly think that, then by all means, get your CS teams to sign up, pay for the event.

Now...having said all that, our big event in the summer is a completely different story. We regularly attract more than 700 people and have run CS tournaments every year. With 700+ people we managed to get 14 teams to play CS:S. If you do the math, with an event of 100, we can expect 2 teams. Great tournament...



Exactly. Fragapalooza is NOT a tournament, but we host some tournaments. Do you get the distinction? One of our "tournaments" is Rock-paper-scissors. Another one we had was a Dance-off. Yet another was a chair race. I hate to sound like a dick, but do you get it yet? We are a LAN Party that runs a few tournaments during our LAN Party. If we don't run any tournaments we are still a LAN Party. There are some game Tournaments that hold a LAN Party and if they decided not to have the LAN Party part, they would still be a Tournament. Do you get it now?



If you honestly think you can get 20 CS teams to sign up and pay for Fragapalooza Grande Prairie, I will run a CS tournament for you. That is 100 people dedicated to playing CS. If you can make that happen, I will make sure you get your CS Tournament. Now, remember...this is for Fragapalooza Grande Prairie - our winter event that is happening at the end of February. Not our summer event that we hold in Edmonton.

Now, I am going to LOCK this thread as it has gotten out of hand. Please don't make me start banning people.

Thanks.

I have no problem running a CS 1.6 tournament at the Winter Lan. No problem at all and I am considering doing it. So we do listen, and you are being heard. Unless we get 10 teams to play there wont be prizes though.

Its that simple, if people want CS 1.6 or source, we will do it. No problem, just don't come expecting big prizes for a 4 team tournament.

--Commo